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Unregistered
06-19-2015, 08:34 AM
Nege swartes is in n kerk afgemaai deur hierdie wit rassistiese skieter. Daar word nou n foto van hom getoon met n baatjie waar hy die ou SA flag op het. Was hierdie skrale jong man ge-indoktroneer en met rasse haat gebreinspoel, of kan n mens se dat dit wat hy in die wereld sien veral soos hier by ons sy denke so kan beinvloed dat hy tot n rasionele oortuiging kan kom om sy dade te regverdig en tot uitvoer te bring? Ons het in die verlede ons eie witwolf skieter gehad, maar na jare nou hierdie ou in n ander land n jong 21 jarige en aanhanger/simpatiseerder van die ou SA vlag en sy mense. Is hierdie n bewys dat die rasse ding nooit end sal kry nie, hetsy kunsmatig gevuur of natuurlik. Ons sien dan ook in baie moorde in SA dat niks gebuit word nie en mense barbaars gemartel en vermoor word swart op wit en in gevalle polities gevuur. Wat is die oplossing????????... Staan vas

524
06-19-2015, 08:58 AM
Maak mens wonder oor die hele ding..


Obama on Charleston: It’s too easy to get guns in AmericaPresident Barack Obama on Thursday expressed profound “sadness and anger” at the Charleston church shooting as well as deeply personal frustration that America’s political climate makes it virtually impossible for now to tighten restrictions on who can buy firearms.
“We don’t have all the facts, but we do know that once again, innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun,” Obama said in the White House briefing room, Vice President Joe Biden standing at his side.
“It is in our power to do something about it. I say that recognizing the politics in this town foreclose a lot of those avenues right now,” the president said. “But it’d be wrong for us not to acknowledge it, and at some point, it’s going to be important for the American people to come to grips with it and for us to be able to shift how we think about the issue of gun violence collectively.”
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“Now is the time for mourning and for healing. But let’s be clear. At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn’t happen in other places with this kind of frequency,” he said.
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/obama-on-charleston-its-too-easy-to-get-guns-in-121848101296.html
Really, could this crime fit the agenda any better?
White supremacist kills 9 unarmed black folks in a church with a gun given to him by his father.
Didn't nine people also die in the biker shoot out?

B52212345
06-19-2015, 10:20 AM
Daar is verskeie oplossings uit verskillende velde. Mense het egter opsies, dit is vir my verstommend. Die vraag is egter wie wil eerder luister en iets doen? En hierin le ons probleem want mense word soos skape na die slagpale gelei omrede hulle alles behalwe werkbare oplossings en korrekte advies en hulp aanhang.

Dit is so maklik om die man met die wapen te koppel aan wettige vuurwapen besit. As die man nie n wettige wapen gehad het nie en steeds die daad wou uitvoer sou hy een ONWETTIG bekom het!

Hier kom weer n groot dryf vir wapen beheer . . . . . . .

Aletta
06-19-2015, 10:42 AM
al hierdie is net om mense te ontwapen. Die man het volgens n e-pos wat ek gekry het lankal reeds probleme. Volgens n paar webblaaie word die rol van medikasie dikwels verswyg. Verskriklik baie Amerikaners gebruik sg "mind altering drugs". En baie van hierdie skieters in Amerika het n geskiedenis van sielkundige probleme en die gebruik van medikasie.
Ek plaas dele uit die e-pos hieronder, ek het die dele wat vir my als beskryf onderstreep:

Charleston church shooting: the larger covert op

by Jon Rappoport
June 17, 2015

"Long-term covert ops sometimes disguise themselves by claiming that the hidden cause of a problem is the cure. So it is with psychiatric drugs, like SSRI antidepressants, which push people into committing murder. In the aftermath of these killings, leaders call for expanded psychiatric screening---which will result in further prescription of those very same drugs." (The Underground, Jon Rappoport)

Police report the suspect in the Charleston church shooting, Dylann Roof, has been captured.

This is the latest in a string of crimes in which black-white conflict has been highlighted, pressed, argued, and used, for the purposes of: fanning flames of racial discord, exercising further gun control, and fatuously claiming that universal psychiatric screening and drugging is an answer.

In this brief article, I focus on black-white conflict.

In the 1960s, in America, the burgeoning drug culture and the Vietnam War became the occasion for protests and riots that shook the nation. In that case, the main target was the federal government.

Even though the "revolution" was pro-left, the 1968 Chicago riots were staged at the Democratic nominating convention. That gives you some idea of the degree of overall and virulent anti-government sentiment.

From the point of view of elite planners, the 1960s should not be repeated; at least not in the same way.

This time, the government should be seen as the hero, the rescuer, the mediator.

For that to happen, Americans would turn on and target each other.

There is no better way to accomplish that than to strike at the issue of race.

Emphasize it, push it, make it stand out, tie it into political correctness, create absurdist "dialogue" that could have no other outcome than outrage. The "discussion about race" has turned into transparent provocation.

Divide and conquer is as old as the hills. The conqueror is the ruler. And, of course, as he wins, he enacts more downward pressure on freedom, in multiple ways, while pretending to be the healer.

This is the op.

This is the simplicity of it.

You can throw other logs on the fire: agents provocateur in the media; the release of violent immigrant criminals from US prisons; the seeding of the population with massive amounts of psychiatric drugs (SSRI antidepressants) that scramble brains and push people over the edge into committing violent acts, including murder.

And oh yes, you can also include the intentional expansion of poverty (and attendant resentment) through the departure of millions of jobs overseas: aka Globalism. That is provocation of the highest order.

The objective is shifting the target from government to the people themselves, along the familiar lines of race.

And the payoff message will echo the sentiments of 1995, after the Oklahoma City Bombing: "Come home to the government, we will protect you. Only we can protect you."

If you believed mainstream media, you would think the entire race issue in America consists of a three-way conversation between Al Sharpton, a KKK high priest, and some demented college student who insists that every word in the English language contains a hidden racial element.

Update: CBS News is reporting that Dylann Roof was arrested on February 28 in a mall, while he was asking a store clerk "out of the ordinary questions." At that time, he was found in possession of a medicine called Suboxone.

It is an addicting drug used to treat opiate addiction. Some adverse effects: agitation, hostility, hallucinations, attempted suicide, depersonalization.

Rapid withdrawal from Suboxone can be more dangerous than taking it.

Getting the picture?

Of course, the distinct possibility that the drug pushed Dylann Roof over the edge into committing murder isn't part of the "correct" narrative aimed at accelerating racial hatreds.

Kasper
06-19-2015, 10:45 AM
Daar is verskeie oplossings uit verskillende velde. Mense het egter opsies, dit is vir my verstommend. Die vraag is egter wie wil eerder luister en iets doen? En hierin le ons probleem want mense word soos skape na die slagpale gelei omrede hulle alles behalwe werkbare oplossings en korrekte advies en hulp aanhang.

Dit is so maklik om die man met die wapen te koppel aan wettige vuurwapen besit. As die man nie n wettige wapen gehad het nie en steeds die daad wou uitvoer sou hy een ONWETTIG bekom het!

Hier kom weer n groot dryf vir wapen beheer . . . . . . .

522, Ek stem saam, hierdie hele ding begin vir my al meer lyk na 'n manier om die Amerikaners te ontwapen. Kom ons kyk gou na die feite: Die knaap was al met die gereg deurmekaar vir dwelms en onwettige betreding van 'n perseel, maar tog word daar 'n wapen aan hom gegee vir sy verjaardag. Sy FB blad het baie vriende wat swart is, tog haat hy hulle so baie , dat hy 9 doodskiet?. Sy baadtjie dra die ou SA en Rhodesia vlag, toevallig?
Sy familie beskryf hom as 'n algehele introvert, wat eerder tyd in sy kamer deurgebring het as om te leer bv. kar te bestuur en ander aktiwiteite te doen wat jong knape van sy ouderdom doen?... En dan skielik haak sy koppie uit en blaas 9 swartes weg- dit met 5 clips op sy pistool.
Ek weet nie, maar een ding wat ek al baie opgetel het met hierdie "sogenaamde regses" is dat hulle almal 'n wapen KAN hanteer- hoekom het hierdie knaap so gesukkel?
Hierdie word gebrandmerk as 'n haat- misdaad, tog toe dieselfde gebeur het in SA, is die perps opgehemel as Ikoone!!! Darem snaaks hoe hierdie ou deurmekaar wereld darem werk ne'
Groetnis

Unregistered
06-19-2015, 11:21 AM
Daar was ook onlangs 9 "bikers" buite n resturant in n oor en weer skietery gedood. Laat mens dink dat die klomp altyd gedrug of vol alkhol gepomp is. Staan vas

524
06-19-2015, 12:35 PM
Daar was ook onlangs 9 "bikers" buite n resturant in n oor en weer skietery gedood. Laat mens dink dat die klomp altyd gedrug of vol alkhol gepomp is. Staan vas http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/word/this-is-wrong-smiley-emoticon.gif

Hey! http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/word/you-talking-to-me-smiley-emoticon.gif Ek was vir 32 jaar 'n biker en het nooit aan drank en 'n bike in die selfde asem gedink nie.. http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/word/gimme-a-break-smiley-emoticon.gif

OK, grappies op 'n stokkie! Lyk mos al asog Project MKUltra nog steeds lekker werk? Meer kan gelees word hier > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

MKUltra[edit (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project_MKUltra&action=edit&section=3)]The project's intentionally oblique CIA cryptonym (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_cryptonym) is made up of the digraph (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digraph_(orthography)) MK, meaning that the project was sponsored by the agency's Technical Services Staff (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_Services_Staff), followed by the word Ultra (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra) (which had previously been used to designate the most secret classification of World War II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II) intelligence). Other related cryptonyms include Project MKNAOMI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKNAOMI) and Project MKDELTA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKDELTA).
Headed by Sidney Gottlieb (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Gottlieb), the MKUltra project was started on the order of CIA director Allen Welsh Dulles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allen_Welsh_Dulles) on April 13, 1953.[17] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra#cite_note-17) Its aim was to develop mind-controlling drugs for use against the Soviet bloc, largely in response to alleged Soviet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union), Chinese (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Republic_of_China), and North Korean (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea) use of mind control techniques on U.S. prisoners of war (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner_of_war) in Korea.[18] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra#cite_note-18) The CIA wanted to use similar methods on their own captives. The CIA was also interested in being able to manipulate foreign leaders with such techniques,[19] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra#cite_note-19) and would later invent several schemes to drug Fidel Castro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidel_Castro). Experiments were often conducted without the subjects' knowledge or consent.[20] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra#cite_note-20) In some cases, academic researchers being funded through grants from CIA front organizations were unaware that their work was being used for these purposes.[21] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra#cite_note-21)
In 1964, the project was renamed MKSEARCH. The project attempted to produce a perfect truth drug (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truth_drug) for use in interrogating suspected Soviet spies during the Cold War (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War), and generally to explore any other possibilities of mind control. Another MKUltra effort, Subproject 54, was the Navy's top secret "Perfect Concussion" program, which was supposed to use sub-aural frequency blasts to erase memory. However, the program was never carried out.[22] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra#cite_note-22)
Because most MKUltra records were deliberately destroyed in 1973 by order of then CIA director Richard Helms (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Helms), it has been difficult, if not impossible, for investigators to gain a complete understanding of the more than 150 individually funded research sub-projects sponsored by MKUltra and related CIA programs.[23] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra#cite_note-Supremecourt-23)
The project began during a period of what Rupert Cornwell described as "paranoia" at the CIA, when America had lost its nuclear monopoly, and fear of Communism was at its height.[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra#cite_note-autogenerated2-24) James Jesus Angleton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Jesus_Angleton), head of CIA counter-intelligence, believed that the organization had been penetrated by a mole at the highest levels.[24] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra#cite_note-autogenerated2-24)

En na aanleiding van Aletta se pos hier bo


One 1955 MKUltra document gives an indication of the size and range of the effort; this document refers to the study of an assortment of mind-altering substances described as follows:[28] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra#cite_note-arts.rpi.edu-28)



Substances which will promote illogical thinking and impulsiveness to the point where the recipient would be discredited in public.
Substances which increase the efficiency of mentation and perception.
Materials which will cause the victim to age faster/slower in maturity.
Materials which will promote the intoxicating effect of alcohol.
Materials which will produce the signs and symptoms of recognized diseases in a reversible way so that they may be used for malingering, etc.
Materials which will cause temporary/permanent brain damage and loss of memory.
Substances which will enhance the ability of individuals to withstand privation, torture and coercion during interrogation and so-called "brain-washing".
Materials and physical methods which will produce amnesia for events preceding and during their use.
Physical methods of producing shock and confusion over extended periods of time and capable of surreptitious use.
Substances which produce physical disablement such as paralysis of the legs, acute anemia, etc.
Substances which will produce a chemical that can cause blisters.
Substances which alter personality structure in such a way that the tendency of the recipient to become dependent upon another person is enhanced.
A material which will cause mental confusion of such a type that the individual under its influence will find it difficult to maintain a fabrication under questioning.
Substances which will lower the ambition and general working efficiency of men when administered in undetectable amounts.
Substances which promote weakness or distortion of the eyesight or hearing faculties, preferably without permanent effects.
A knockout pill which can surreptitiously be administered in drinks, food, cigarettes, as an aerosol, etc., which will be safe to use, provide a maximum of amnesia, and be suitable for use by agent types on an ad hoc basis.
A material which can be surreptitiously administered by the above routes and which in very small amounts will make it impossible for a person to perform physical activity.

caholt
06-19-2015, 02:07 PM
Daar is nou n ander foto wat beweer dat dit die oorspronklike foto is :
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10203217638320826&set=o.116298045063416&type=1

Met n bietjie in zoom lyk dit vir my na n fake.
Dit het my laat dink hoe oorspronklik die "regte" foto is.
Ek mag dalk verkeerd wees maar die kleur van die vlae op die baadjie lyk vir my n bietjie helder in vergelyking met die res van die baadjie veral as jy kyk na die wear and tear van die baadjie wat jou min of meer n idee gee van hoe oud die baadjie is.
Dan ook nog die vou van die vlae. Die baadjie het voue in soos enige kleding stuk sal he wat gedra word, maar as n mens kyk na die vlae lyk dit redelik reguit en vou nie saam met die baadjie nie.

Ek kan verkeerd wees met my opmerkings maar dit is hoe dit vir my lyk.

caholt.

Unregistered
06-19-2015, 06:54 PM
Ek praat nie van n "mickey mouse" bike klub nie ons praat van hardcore, so hou op wintie raak met jou "WRONG". Staan vas

Lukas
06-19-2015, 08:06 PM
Caholt. Die foto sonder het minder pixels as die een met die vlaggies, en dit is bietjie moilik om spoor te vat. Maar kyk

1921

Die plooie aan die regterkant is presies dieselfde wat vertel dat dit dieselfde foro is. Selfs die toutjie wat moontlik in die wind op sy regterkant gewip het, is dieselfde.

Die RSA vlaggie is bietjie gelig en daar sou n ligte skynsel onder dit gewees het as die emblem op die onderste foto wel onder die vlaggie was.

Die beeste plooi op sy regter boers, of links soos wat jy daarna kyk, is dieselfde, behalwe daar waar die vlaggies was. Verder lyk dit of die plek waar die vlaggies was, uit focus gestryk is. Dit kan net gebeur wanneer jy dit foto manipuleer.

My opinie is dat die foto sonder die vlaggies nie eg is nie.

Lukas
06-19-2015, 11:20 PM
Daar is n oplossing maar dit is nie gewild nie. Op die oomblik gaan dit soos dit gaan en niks gaan dit verbeter nie. Die oplossin bly altyd die oplossing maar niemand wil die waarheid meer hoor nie.

Wat staan ons te doen. Hou aan om te leef. Hou aan om die lig vir die wereld te wees, al wil hulle dit nie sien nie. Hou aan om jou oortuiging uit te leef, en hou aan om waarde toe te voeg waar jy ook al mag kom.

Unregistered
06-23-2015, 07:42 AM
Kyk na die video lyk soos valsvlag operasie deur jade helm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=352&v=hj185Yyxv_g

Unregistered
06-23-2015, 12:15 PM
Ek reken dat hierdie bewyse ook in gefaktor is, maar dat die risiko vir hulle klein gebly het, omdat die wereld vol skape is. Wonder waar my vorige pos heen verdwyn het... Staan vas

Lukas
06-24-2015, 07:34 PM
Staan vas. Is jou probleem met die webblad toegang toe opgelos ?

Ek sien die video is verwyder. Waaroor het dit gegaan?