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456
07-21-2015, 10:45 PM
Like any intricate, expensive, dangerous, rare, item that carries a lot of responsibility to own or use, a firearm rates among the highest. Hence, the current Law (FCA 2000) quite rightly enforces a standard of physical proficiency and competency and legal knowledge before you take your new weapon out of the shop.

This article is not going to harp on about weather one should own a firearm for self defence or not, it is aimed at those who already have one, or are thinking to get one and are prepared for an unlawful, lethal attack on themselves. This can be from a home invasion, a robbery in public or even a road rage incident gone wrong. See, like the list above, all those things one should do as much research about the ownership and use of them before and during time of ownership. Preparation for any circumstance is my watchword. (I roll my eyes to the point of pain when someone says, “I know about guns, I was in the ARMY”. You should see some of those trying to remember which end of an R-1 to hold, let alone something newer they have never seen before.)

The internet has its uses. A lot of information in seconds. It could take days of looking through badly indexed books to find what Google can in .0063 of a second. The downside I find, and this particularly applied to “chat forums” is that you really don’t know who the other person is giving you a certain piece of advice. More dangerously is if you take that advice and then make a cock-up. Who are you going to blame? Some random avatar on Facebook? When seeking knowledge and the references and experience of those you listen to is just as important as the information itself. “Learn from the Learned” said Cato.

I hate to say I am “old school” because I still subscribe to and read the printed word. A recent addition to the local newsagent magazine rack is GUN AFRICA. Now I’m certainly not advocating any particular periodical, but I have to mention I was inspired for this article by one of theirs and got permission from the Editor, Francois Rossouw, to use the very valid points he wrote about in his magazine. A good thing about this particular “gun mag” is that they do spend many pages on gunsmithing, practical exercises and legal knowledge. The latter, I have found is quite sound, hence my advocacy of it.

The title of the article was “you have just shot an attacker”. Not, what do I do if… or, can I… We are tackling the immediate after effect. What I will discuss here also has relevance if you have used any other item than a firearm to neutralise an attacker. That could be a knife, spade or frying pan. This scenario also can be in your own home, or at any place where you have defended your life:

1. The first thing to ensure is that your family, or other innocent people are safe. Crooks have friends. You may have eliminated one from the equation but he may very well have armed buddies around. Look about you, clear your tunnel vision by physically turning your head and focussing on things at different distances from you. Look and see who is running away, who is crouching (hiding or another threat) and who is coming towards you. Remember your ears may be ringing and the adrenalin dump will cause auditory seclusion anyway. You won’t hear people even shouting at you. You will have to use your eyes to stay alive for the next few seconds.

2. Do not leave the scene of the shooting. If one of the attackers runs away, it is arguable if you want to chase him. Your job was to protect yourself and interested parties. What if, like I mentioned above, you missed one who stayed behind, now your family is at HIS mercy while you scamper off into the dark. Further, to the Police or any eyewitnesses, you leaving may look like you are fleeing the scene. Stay right where you are. What is done is done. I have myself seen a crook soak up eleven 9mm bullets at close range into his abdomen and still run 60 meters and drop his gun in a bin, before collapsing. If you don’t hit the pump or electrical system, the machine will keep running until the oil pressure drops. The same suspect, lying on his back, now had nice fresh blood flow back to his brain, so he sat up and continued trying to escape. Leaving the scene or dropping your concentration could get you a nasty surprise. Nothing like pointing to a pool of blood and saying…”He WAS here, I promise!” In saying all that. If your life is still in danger and you are being overwhelmed or basically out gunned, you can perform a tactical retreat. But try not to “run away”.

3. Forget your “panic button”. Get on to 10111 and speak to the Police IMMEDIATELY. You are now involved in a serious scene. Any delay in calling the Police may be seen as suspicious. Yes, I have arrived at a place where the suspect is nearly half an hour dead and everyone looks very uncomfortable when I ask the simplest questions like, “How long ago did this happen?” Remember too, all calls to the Police are recorded. Be careful and say things simply. The temptation to babble is real. Don’t say more than you need to. Keep to the basics, “My name is XYZ, I have a suspect in my house. Shots have been fired. Here is my address…” There is no way you should deny anything, but just be cautious admitting things. If you did shoot the suspect then that is a fact. If you deny it one minute or refuse to answer and then admit later, you must understand that will be viewed with suspicion. The Police do not look to arrest or charge people who have lawfully defended themselves, I don’t care what stories you have read or heard. But try not to talk yourself into trouble. Further, ask the Police call taker to send an ambulance. First it shows that you have respect for human life, irrelevant as to who attacked you, but also, you never know who else might need medical attention. Your spouse or even you can go into shock and there will be nothing better than having medics already on the scene.

4. If you wish, call your attorney and inform him of what has happened. Very likely, if he is a good one, he will calm you and explain what procedure will follow. If you want him to come to the scene, understand that it is going to cost you money and he will not be able to interfere with or obstruct the Police’s duty or actions. This is not American TV.

5. Please DO NOT be tempted to touch or move anything. If you want to be safe and kick the suspect’s weapon out of reach then do so, but TELL the Police, uniformed and detective what you did and why. (remember the suspect mentioned in point 2) In this example, you are not tampering with the scene, you are keeping yourself safe. DO NOT be tempted to alter anything else. I want to hand out hospital time when “experts” tell me “you must drag him inside” or “get a knife in his hand” If a guy comes to shoot me, why the hell must I put one of my own kitchen knives in his hand? What if your suspect is the one in 23 people that are left handed? You must know I arrested a guy because the suspect he shot in his driveway had a knife in his hand that matched the set in the dining room. How flipping stupid are you? Just remember that when all this has happened you are going to be entering shock. You are in no rational mental condition to be clever enough to start manipulating crime scenes. The detectives and forensic investigators see more crime scenes in a week than you will in a lifetime. They do know what they are doing and they do know an altered state when they see one. Here I am going to add the suspect too. If you drag, kick stab, punch a body after death, it will show up by the time a post mortem is done. DON’T DO IT.

6. It drives me nuts, but there is little worse than arriving at a serious scene like this and everyone and his uncle has had a walk around. Blood footprints everywhere, half of them belong to people who have already left. Spent cartridges kicked down the passage or across the car park or crushed by big feet. Even if your Security Company guys arrive, please help by cordoning the scene as soon as possible. Even if that means closing your front door and not letting anyone into the house. NOBODY need to go and wander around and look. Once the Police arrive they will take over the cordon and control of the scene. It may be your house/yard but for a time it will be my crime scene and I will control who comes in. I know you will be traumatised, just understand we have a job to do.

7. Start taking your own photos of the scene as it lies. Remember the allegations in the Pistorius trial. Remember my advice not to move anything? This is your chance to prove that things were in situ when the Police arrive. DO NOT circulate the pictures to all your buddies. If you want to go to jail fast, see how social media can twist things. Do not discuss too much with witnesses, especially independent witnesses. Take their details, take a pic of them so you know who they are and give their details to the Police. Key things to photograph: The position of the suspect, in relation to other landmarks or features. Take the pic from a distance so that background can be seen. The weapon. Again a close up so that it can be clearly identified and then further back so you can see how it is lying and relation to what. Photo any other noteworthy features. If a door was damaged from force. A tool used, like a crowbar or screwdriver. Bullet holes in walls or the floor. Where spent cartridges lie, again in relation to a wall or on a carpet. If you can, try take all the photos from the same direction so you don’t lose perspective on what you are looking at. In saying all this, please remember my advice on trampling the scene and kicking things around. Be careful to preserve the scene.

456
07-21-2015, 10:45 PM
8. When the Police arrive, please do not have weapons in your hands. If you have a firearm, holster it. I mean that sincerely. You do not need to have a gun in your hand when we are there, I assure you. On that point, we live in a multicultural society. I have arrested white guys for armed robbery. I don’t know you. When I arrive on a scene I have been called to and someone comes running or even walking towards me with a gun in his hand, he is a threat until I am satisfied he is not. Please understand, I don’t know you. I don’t know if that person is one of the crooks making a late escape and making a story that he is the home owner. Put the damn thing away until we ask for it. As with altering the scene. Do not unload it, clean it, drop it in the pool or whatever. Any alteration you make to that scene, including the weapon you used can be viewed with suspicion. Further, our ballistic guys are very good at their job. Please don’t try and file your firing pin or something similarly stupid. That screams “I did something wrong”. When the Police ask to examine your weapon, whatever it is, tell them first where it is, and if it is not on your person, where it is lying. If it is on you, or in a pocket, say so. If asked for, you must surrender it for examination. It will be handled carefully and bagged in the safety condition it is in. If asked for you must produce your firearm licence. Please understand. This is not the time for you to get cocky and remind everyone of your rights and start quoting the FCA. We know your rights and you will be reminded of them before you are asked to make any statement.

9. At some point you will be asked to make a written statement. It is unlikely that you will be made, shivering in your underpants on your driveway, to start writing a lengthy booklet. You have the right to remain silent. If you exercise that, just know that the detectives will only have the physical evidence to work on and your version will not be included in the preliminary investigation. When asked when you will be prepared to make the statement, it will be hard to commit, but in the next day or two, I believe will be reasonable. The lawyer you phoned earlier; have a chat with him as to what you should say. A detective can retake many statements from a witness, as a Public Prosecutor desires clarification on a particular point. Hence, it is important to get all the main facts down as soon as possible. Even if you make small notes yourself then and there. The statement that will be taken from you is called a “warning statement.” It is NOT under oath. It is your version of the events as they appeared to you, to the best of your ability. Do not lie, falsify information, create facts or omit important things. Keep it basic and to the point. Remember that the detective is impartial. He or she collects evidence and that evidence is weighed to decide whether to prosecute or not.

10. So it is very likely the weapon you used will be taken by the Police and entered as an exhibit. (You will be provided an SAP13 number. It will read like this: SAP13/123/2014) The weapon will be examined forensically and a report issued to the detective. So too will all spent cartridges after they have been photographed by a Police photographer. The scene will also be dusted for fingerprints and examined for other matter such as blood trails, foot prints and other DNA. Really, in my experience, the only reason you would be arrested at that scene is if it is clear on the facts, as they appear right there, that you may have committed a crime. Defending your LIFE against an UNLAWFUL attack is not a crime. Many occasions when I have investigated allegations that “law abiding citizens” got locked up after defending their family is because they broke one of my “do not’s” above. Arrest is not to punish you. It is to put you in a place where your attendance in court is assured.

11. What next? Well a docket will be compiled slowly but surely with all the statements (including yours) and evidence from official photographers, post mortem examiner and ballistics. That docket (which will read “murder” as it was the intentional killing of a human being) will go to court with a vital piece of paper. That piece of paper is the covering minute from the lead investigator. It will contain the facts of the case and his true belief as to what occurred based on those facts, as well as what he believes should be the next step. A Senior Public Prosecutor will now examine the case. As I said earlier, they may ask for more statements, clarifying particular points. Eventually the SPP will make a decision. If you acted within the law, that decision will read “Decline to Prosecute”. Your firearm will be handed back to you and a Detective will inform you of the decision. That may seem like an intense and lengthy examination for something that took you 3 seconds to do. Well, even we in the Police go through the same process, but we have the IPID to deal with too. And they looove to prosecute Policemen. Hence, you can see that how this ends up relies heavily on how well you were prepared for the incident. How well have you trained with that defensive weapon? Do you know the actual law or believe what your dronk buddy honked about over the bar?
“All is ready if our minds are so” Henry V

An afterword I must add is that you must allow for the fact that you may have to undergo some level of debriefing or counselling. This is not because I think you are soft, but because I know that current society is maybe aware of violence, but we are not really mentally and emotionally prepared for a fight to the death. Not many people imagine rolling around on their own lounge floor with a bad guy’s fetid breath in their face, feeling your strength ebb away and his muscles slowly overcome you. You very likely will experience some trauma. You will need some support. Whether that comes from a religious minister or a professional counsellor, get it. And remember to get your family and even other witnesses to seek it too. Post-traumatic stress (PTSD) is real. Don’t be in a state of re-victimization because you can’t get the incident out of your head.

Learn, live, learn and move on.
It’s your life.
Take it seriously.
Thank you to the gents at Gun Africa for a mature and relevant article and the permission for me to use excerpts out of it.

Sgt Stephen Clark
SAPS Westville

B52212345
07-22-2015, 08:38 AM
Ken n hele tros trolle wat die artikel moet gaan lees!

Mense dink mos dit is maklik om net te skiet, die heel beste oplossing. Hierdie artikel is baie goed gebalanseer en bevat tegniese aspekte sonder om dit vir die algemene leser moeilik te maak. Ja, daardie onderlinge advies, veral om die braaivleis vuur . . . . .

Dit laat my dink aan my een swaer wat in die land van melk en heuning bly, niks sal in sy veiligheids kompleks verkeerd gaan nie. Een aand, snoesig in sy duur bed, binne sy groot huis omring deur hierdie wilde sekuriteits kompleks hoor die man toe iets verdag . . . .

Niemand weet toe eintlik tot vandag toe wat dit was nie maar die groot wildjagter, profesionele sport skut en vader uil van kennis spring to uit sy bed uit om sy 'sport vuurwapen' te gaan haal vir self verdediging. Nodeloos om te se het hy so gesukkel om sy sleutel te kry, net daar waar hy dit altyd sit dat hy heeltemal begin paniek het.

Teen die tyd wat hy die sleutel gekry het, was hy sover voor dat hy nie die kluis behoorlik kon oopkry nie. Niks het gelukkig daardie aand gebeur nie, tot sy eie geluk maar in die ou storietjie en die bogenoemde artikel le die waarheid baie mooi in vasgevang -

Alhoewel dit jou reg is om n vuurwapen te besit is dit n GROOT VOOREG!
Saam met die vooreg kom baie VERANTWOORDELIKHEID.
Vuurwapen is nie jou eerste of selfs tweede of derde oplossing, afhangende van die situasie nie, dit is die heel laaste een.
Moet nie dom dinge doen en dink jy is slim nie, ander mense se advies of jou 'slim'' plannetjies gaan net vir jouself moeilikheid maak
As jy slim wil wees hieroor, leer eerder huisbeveiliging en ander verdedigings tegnieke aan, dan is die wet aan jou kant

Laastens, daar is n magdom dinge wat jy kan doen, voordat jy op die punt kom waar jy n vuurwapen moet gebruik. Wil jy regtig met al die stress opgeskeep sit, jou vuurwapen vir maande verloor oor toetse ens? Is dit regtig die moeite werd as dit nie nodig was nie, jy mag die wapen dalk later in jou lewe regtig nodig kry, dan moet hy tot jou beskiking wees.

Dankie 456 vir n lekker eenvoudige lees artikel wat jy hier geplaas het. Ek hoop mense leer hieruit en begin reguit dink oor die dinge, om Rambo se klein boetie Riempies te wees is nie sonder prys nie!

Ek will net bysit, van die krimineel se oogpunt is vrees vir die onbekende baie erger as die dood! Vir dood is hulle nie bang nie.

524
07-22-2015, 10:38 AM
]Ken n hele tros trolle wat die artikel moet gaan lees! [/SIZE]

Mense dink mos dit is maklik om net te skiet, die heel beste oplossing. Hierdie artikel is baie goed gebalanseer en bevat tegniese aspekte sonder om dit vir die algemene leser moeilik te maak. Ja, daardie onderlinge advies, veral om die braaivleis vuur . . . . .

Dit laat my dink aan my een swaer wat in die land van melk en heuning bly, niks sal in sy veiligheids kompleks verkeerd gaan nie. Een aand, snoesig in sy duur bed, binne sy groot huis omring deur hierdie wilde sekuriteits kompleks hoor die man toe iets verdag . . . .

Niemand weet toe eintlik tot vandag toe wat dit was nie maar die groot wildjagter, profesionele sport skut en vader uil van kennis spring to uit sy bed uit om sy 'sport vuurwapen' te gaan haal vir self verdediging. Nodeloos om te se het hy so gesukkel om sy sleutel te kry, net daar waar hy dit altyd sit dat hy heeltemal begin paniek het.

Teen die tyd wat hy die sleutel gekry het, was hy sover voor dat hy nie die kluis behoorlik kon oopkry nie. Niks het gelukkig daardie aand gebeur nie, tot sy eie geluk maar in die ou storietjie en die bogenoemde artikel le die waarheid baie mooi in vasgevang -

Alhoewel dit jou reg is om n vuurwapen te besit is dit n GROOT VOOREG!
Saam met die vooreg kom baie VERANTWOORDELIKHEID.
Vuurwapen is nie jou eerste of selfs tweede of derde oplossing, afhangende van die situasie nie, dit is die heel laaste een.
Moet nie dom dinge doen en dink jy is slim nie, ander mense se advies of jou 'slim'' plannetjies gaan net vir jouself moeilikheid maak
As jy slim wil wees hieroor, leer eerder huisbeveiliging en ander verdedigings tegnieke aan, dan is die wet aan jou kant

Laastens, daar is n magdom dinge wat jy kan doen, voordat jy op die punt kom waar jy n vuurwapen moet gebruik. Wil jy regtig met al die stress opgeskeep sit, jou vuurwapen vir maande verloor oor toetse ens? Is dit regtig die moeite werd as dit nie nodig was nie, jy mag die wapen dalk later in jou lewe regtig nodig kry, dan moet hy tot jou beskiking wees.

Dankie 456 vir n lekker eenvoudige lees artikel wat jy hier geplaas het. Ek hoop mense leer hieruit en begin reguit dink oor die dinge, om Rambo se klein boetie Riempies te wees is nie sonder prys nie!

Ek will net bysit, van die krimineel se oogpunt is vrees vir die onbekende baie erger as die dood! Vir dood is hulle nie bang nie.

Ek stem saam. Baie mense besit 'n wapen maar weet regtig nie wat die protokol is as dit gebruik word nie. Sommer 'n hele klomp gaan nie die moed hê om daardie sneller te trek nie - en daardie aarseling is genoeg vir die krimineel. Soms dink ek meeste mense is beter af sonder 'n wapen as met een. En daardie ding van dit moet 'n groot kaliber handwapen wees is ook bollie. As jy goed kan skiet is 'n kleiner wapen meer akkuraat en makliker om te hanteer op 'n kort afstand (self verdediging). Jammer dat die .25 (635) patrone nou so skaars is - op 'n kort afstand is die buksie doodelik.

Maar, een ding is verseker en dit is dat baie mense hierdie storie moet lees.

456
07-22-2015, 12:00 PM
Ek persoonlik sal nie kleiner as 9mm gaan vir SD nie. Daardie klein kalibers gaan nie n aanvaller stop wat vol dagga en dwelms is nie. Netso gaan geen handwapen kaliber dit sommer doen nie, maar met groter kalibers is die kans so 7% beter as met die kleiner kalibers. My nommer 1 wapen vir huis verdediging is n pompaksie 12 boor hael geweer. Maar elke ou soen sy vrou soos hy goed dink.

Unregistered
07-22-2015, 07:16 PM
Hierdie artikel bevestig weer eens die opperste sinneloosheid, sotlikheid en belaglikheid vir 'n witman om steeds in Afrika te (wil) woon.

Wanneer 'n mens met soveel belaglike reëls, regulasies en sotlike & korrupte voorskrifte gekonfronteer moet word alvorens jy moet oorweeg om jou (of jou geliefdes se) lewe te beskerm, dan is dit maar beter om Afrika permanent te verlaat en in 'n land te gaan woon waar misdaad 'n minimum is, waar mens nie so sterk hoef te oorweeg om 'n wapen te besit nie.

Nie almal is die tipe wat aanvaar of dit toe laat dat hulle verdruk word, of dat mense of 'n regering op hulle trap nie.

Die dag gaan dalk nog kom dat 'n slagoffer (of die geliefde van 'n slagoffer) gaan knak (of sy humeur ordentlik verloor) en bereid sal wees om 'n duisend of meer van die 'locals' en/of polisiemanne en/of staatsdienswerkers en/of regeringsamptenare (en dies meer) op een slag uit te wis, insluitend homself, net om 'n harde punt te maak en om wraak te neem. Dit staan bekend as die "Simson Opsie".

As dit nie vir die feit was dat ek Afrika reeds verlaat het nie, dan sou ek kwalifiseer (sou ek so 'n oorlewende slagoffer wees wat niks meer het om te verloor nie) om meer as tien duisend sulkes (vyande / staatsgemors) saam met my die ewigheid in te neem. En ek sou dit effektief, klinies, takties en gewetenloos 'met 'n smile' doen.

Gelukkig woon ek nou in rus en vrede in die buiteland en sal ek ook nooit weer my voete in vervliekte Afrika sit nie.

F*k Afrika.

Unregistered
07-23-2015, 02:18 AM
#6 ek sal nie te gerus wees as ek jy is nie. As ek kyk wat op die oomblik in Europa aan die gebeur is, waar Afrika en die midde ooste basies Europa beset, is dit nie uitgesluit dat jy binnekort dieselfde probleme in die land kan ondervind waarin jy tans is nie

520
07-23-2015, 07:19 AM
#6 ek sal nie te gerus wees as ek jy is nie. As ek kyk wat op die oomblik in Europa aan die gebeur is, waar Afrika en die midde ooste basies Europa beset, is dit nie uitgesluit dat jy binnekort dieselfde probleme in die land kan ondervind waarin jy tans is nie.
@7 ek bly eerder in die sogenaamde "vervloekde" afrika ek ken die plek en mense en alles, weet waar om wat ook al te kry indien nodig.
My sogenaamde vyhand is naby my.
Het nie n.wapen nodig nie, want ek weet hoe laat wanneer en wat die Piet gaan doen.
Wil ook nie n taliban militant wees. Ai en myself skade doen om ander eine te maak nie.
Heibo nee man koppie klap.
Ek werk nou so bietjie in die kaap knysna omgewing ens. Sjoe die "vervlakste" het darem mooi plekke.
Ek bly ma eerder, as die popo dan die van strike, is die kaap dan hollands, want ek weet waar, wanneer en wat........
@6 kom eerder terug man. Jy kan dit dalk vir ons maklik maak. Net n grapple bedoel dit nie lelik, sorry
Jammer vergewe my as. Ek kyk ook nie rugby nie en drink nie brandewyn nie.
:o

524
07-23-2015, 08:01 AM
@ 456 se: "Maar elke ou soen sy vrou soos hy goed dink."

Hierin lê 'n hele klomp wysheid opgesluit.

As dit vir jou beskore is, jy is jonk genoeg en voel 'n veer vir jou familie wat nie saam gaan nie, dan's dit mos jou besluit om so te maak. Sterkte daar in die vreemde!

Ek is die eerste generasie wat in die land gebore is, dit is my land - geboorte reg - ek gaan nerens! Kom ek om, so kom ek om! Alles wat ek besit en wat ek lief het is in die land. Ek's te oud om nou my eie gat te wil red - as dit dan nou so is. Beide my kinders was al oorkant die groot dam om te studeer en werk en beide is terug want die is hulle land. Ek's bevrees dat baie mense gebuk gaan onder 'n vals sin van veiligheid op 'n ander plek as SA. Dit mag so wees dat daar minder misdaad is maar dan is daar ander bedreigings en natuur gedrewe insidente.

Elke mens moet maar sy of haar eie besluit maak of hulle ry of bly, niemand kan vir jou besluit nie!

Beslis - "Maar elke ou soen sy vrou soos hy goed dink."

Lukas
07-23-2015, 01:48 PM
Ontspan 524. Ek bly ook agter. Ons sal nie alleen wees nie en omdat dit net ons drie is wat agterbly, sal vleis ook baie goedkoop wees en ons sal tegnies elke dag kan braai.

Nee, wat 6. Die hele wêreld werk in siklusse van 75 tot 80 jaar. Ekonomiese sisteme se leeftyd is ook ongeveer dieselfde tyd en elke 75 tot 80 jaar is die hele wêreld in n krisis. Gedurende daardie krisis tyd herken jy ook al die tekens van die end tye wat in die Bybel beskryf word en ja, wanneer jy hierdie goed sien gebeur en jy is nou al naby my en 524 se ouderdom wat ons besef dat dit wat ons oor n leeftyd bymekaargemaak het, moontlik binnekort niks werk kan wees nie, is dit seker iets om oor bekommerd te word.

Maar kyk ons net na Suid-Afrika as die plek waar ons gaan swaarkry, is ons dalk so bietjie beperk wat ons kennis betref. Die hele wêreld vrede balanseer op n mespunt en dit hel nou soveel na eenkant toe oor, dat vir volgende wêreldoorlog onafwendbaar is. Dit is nie meer n kwessie van of nie maar van wanneer.

Met dit ingedagte, het jy twee goed om te oorweeg. Die eerste is die geskiedenis wat homself altyd herhaal en twee, wat is Suid Afrika se kanse om n slagveld te word soos wat Europa gedurende die eerste en tweede wêreldoorlog geword het?

Kyk en na die twee faktore en ek besef dat Suid-Afrika logisties te vêr uit die pad is om n slagveld te word, is ons probleme amper niks nie. Die meerderheid van die swartmense in die land sien ons nie as vyand nie en wanneer hulle bedreig word, soek hulle ons hulp. Sjina koloniseer Afrika en dit is goed. Dit plaas Amerika, Brittanje en Frankryk onder druk en hulle kan dit met met Sjina uitklaar. Nie met ons nie.

Gebeur daar n werklike offensiewe aanslag teen ons wat wit is, is dit ook goed. Om die waarheid te sê sal ons dit amper verwelkom want ons weet nie net hoe om hierdie weermag se wapens te gebruik nie, ons weet biejie meer as dit.

Jou grootse gevaar in Suid-Afrika is ’n depressie en wat daarmee gepaardgaan en dit is oorkombaar. Die grootste gevaar in die res van die wêreld is baie ernstiger as dit.

524
07-24-2015, 07:56 AM
Dis hoe dit is..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db1AJlGVrcI&feature=youtu.be

456
07-24-2015, 08:21 AM
Blikskottel....die ouens mag maar.

Lukas
07-24-2015, 09:10 AM
Daar was n tyd wat ons ook so geskiet het. Jy gebruik dan nie meer jou visiere nie dit is outomatiese rig, dis al. En om weer daar te kom sal seker nie so lank vat nie.

EK onthou nog 10 jaar nadat ek uit die bos gekom het, was daar n prysskiet in Poth. My visiere was met opset vir die grap uitgestel en op 100 meter moes ek drie keer teen die beste skut uitskiet.

Op die video lyk dit goed want dit is goed, maar dit is nie noodwendig beter as wat ons was nie. Wie onthou nog die 50 meter dubbel tap op blikkies, waar jy die blikkie hoeveel keer met die eerste skoot getref het ?

456. Julle was net so goed, ’n mens vergeet maar net.

Chris1
07-24-2015, 09:39 AM
Lukas en kie ek stem saam met julle en is darem bly ek bly nie alleen agter nie.In my opinie sal enige land in suiderlike Afrika veilig wees eintlik die meeste derde wereld lande wat afgesonder is dws nie naby die groot lande nie.As ek sou trek sal dit dalk na Suid-Amerika wees om in vrede vis te vang in van die mooi riviere daar,

Die goedkoop vleis waarin julle drie wil deel het sopas met 25% gestyg!!!Jammer manne

Lukas
07-24-2015, 06:13 PM
Neewat ons gee nie om nie. 524. Chris1 is n baie nice ou en jy sal ook van hom hou wanneer julle mekaar ontmoet. Ons gaan lekker kuier.