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Thread: Wat het Siener van Rensburg nie gesien nie?

  1. #21
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    Staan vas. Glo jy die probleme gaan ligter word?

  2. #22
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    Wat Siener nie gesien het nie ASB!

  3. #23
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    Ek glo nie in Siener nie PUNT! Ons moet loskom van hierdie goed. Ons het die Woord van God! Al het ek ook jare terug n boek vlugtig oor hom gelees, sal ek in die tyd waarin ons leef van dwaalleraars en false profete, Siener eerder ignoreer. As ek kyk na die vrug en tweespalk wat daarmee saamgaan sal ek almal eerder afraai om met hierdie skote in die donker saam te gaan, en eerder met vertroue in God Sy Seun Jesus te wandel ten einde nie mislei of onder God se strat te val nie. Staan vas

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered View Post
    Ek glo nie in Siener nie PUNT! Ons moet loskom van hierdie goed. Ons het die Woord van God! Al het ek ook jare terug n boek vlugtig oor hom gelees, sal ek in die tyd waarin ons leef van dwaalleraars en false profete, Siener eerder ignoreer. As ek kyk na die vrug en tweespalk wat daarmee saamgaan sal ek almal eerder afraai om met hierdie skote in die donker saam te gaan, en eerder met vertroue in God Sy Seun Jesus te wandel ten einde nie mislei of onder God se strat te val nie. Staan vas
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    .Kan iemand enige konkrete bewyse lewer waar enige van die soort voorspellings - Nostradamus, Siener ens - enigsins die gang van die lewe posetief beinvloed het! Wat is daar wat verhoed was d.m.v. die "voorspellings"? Meeste, indien nie almal, wat enige iets plaas waar hierdie "voorspellings" bespreek word doen so "after the fact" en probeer dan om gebeure te laat inpas by een of ander voorspelling. Terwyl so iets 'n mate van vermaak bevat doen dit fetmooinokkol om die gang van sake te verander. Die gene wat hulle lewens verwed op een of ander kwatrijn (quatrain / Nostradamus) wat meestal geen sin maak nie, is welkom om so te doen. Persoonlik dink ek dat indien ons die toekoms moes kon sien sou ons so geskape gewees het. Inteendeel, ek wil nie weet wat more gebeur nie - "It kind of takes the fun out of living". Maar, dit staan elke ou vry om te maak (en te glo) soos hy/sy/dit goed dink.

    Jannie

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    Ek vermoed dat ek en jy dieselfde siening oor die siener visioene het. Maar die rede waarom ek dit hierdie keer toelaat is juis omdat die meeste van die sogenaamde voorspellings wat op grond van siener se gesigte gemaak is, juis rondom Mandela se dood handel. Dit is nou die beste tyd om daardie leuens aan die kaak te stel.

    Dan is daar iets in Johannes wat my ook opgeval het. Joh_4:23 Maar daar kom ‘n uur, en dit is nou, wanneer die ware aanbidders die Vader in gees en waarheid sal aanbid; want die Vader soek ook mense wat Hom sů aanbid.

    Dit klink vir my of ons bevoorreg is om ons Vader in Gees en in Waarheid te ken. Ons wil hÍ dat almal dit moet beleef maar as ek na die laaste deel van die sin kyk, lyk dit nie vir my of dit almal is, wat Hom so ken en dien nie. Ek sien in die teks twee groepe. Aanbidders en ware aanbidders. EK verstaan dit nog nie maar ek weet dat ons nie net moet oordeel nie. Daarom voel ek dat ons ook die leuen vir die aanbidders moet uitlig.
    Last edited by Lukas; 12-16-2013 at 10:27 AM.

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    Jy is reg Lukas. As mense die tyd en effort wat hulle op hoorse spandeer met God en Sy Woord spandeer sal die wereld anders lyk.

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    Ek sal graag 'n finale gevolgtrekking wil maak en die onderwerp afsluit. Om regverdig te wees teenoor Adriaan Snyman dink ek ons moet 10 dae wag. As die "Nagaanval teen die BLANKES" nognie plaasgevind het teen daai tyd nie kan ons aanvaar dat hy 'n vervalsing is.

  8. #28
    Waarom wil jy so streng teenoor hom wees. Gee hom 20 dae, ons wil tog nie druk op hom sit nie.

  9. #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukas View Post
    Waarom wil jy so streng teenoor hom wees. Gee hom 20 dae, ons wil tog nie druk op hom sit nie.
    Hier is 'n storie wat iemand vir my aangestuur het:

    On Angry South African Expats

    October 28, 2013 ∑ by susanhayden ∑ in Stuff

    What Iíve come to realise, over the past few weeks, is that there can be no angrier, more unreasonable person on the planet than the South Africa expat who is told that the country has not gone up in flames (yet) and that we actually spend a lot of time camping, hiking, hanging out on the beach and drinking very nice, inexpensive wine on our expansive lawns in the sunshine while somebody else does the ironing. I think it is fair to say that a goaded bull with a punctured testicle being shown 42 red flags simultaneously could not be more enraged than the (ex) South African who sold up, spent all their money on relocating their family to Wellington before the Swart Gevaar put a torch to the entire country only to find that itís not quite the utopia they imagined and that their life is actually kakker than before.

    When I wrote On Moving Back to South Africa I really did it for myself. It was a way of coming to terms with my own feelings, and trying to make sense of this country I choose to call home. Never in my wildest imaginings did I think it would get over 40 000 views in the first few weeks, get posted and re-posted all over the world, appear on the official South African Homecoming Revolution website and that I would get inundated with comments, thoughts and opinions. And while most, by far, have been extremely positive and a few have politely but vehemently disagreed, there is a small contingency who were made so cross by my allegations that South Africa is still a rather nice place to live out ones days I could practically see the spittle flying from their mouths as they did Rumpelstiltskin dances of rage and shouted abuse at me from their couches in Queensland.

    And itís a curious thing, because if youíre really, really happy in your new home abroad and youíre really, really pleased to have left this cesspit of hell, why would you care enough to get so emotional? All that their comments told me (which were, unfortunately, verging on abusive so I had to trash them) is that they feel deeply conflicted about their decision to leave, and that my story of settling well and loving what this country has to offer seriously messes with their heads. And I can understand that Ė it must be a f#ck up of note to have convinced yourself that we were on the verge of apocalypse and that leaving was the only sensible option only to come back in December and find that your friends are doing very nicely in their holiday houses in Onrus, rump steak - although expensive - on the braai and Woolworths dips keep getting better.

    I have friends who left for Canada a while back and come back every summer, and their confusion is tangible. Because itís the same old place it ever was. Even with that mad bastard JZ in power. We still go for picnics on Clifton 4th; hang out on the cafť strip; drink bubbly and watch the sunset; swim in our pools; have lekker braais. The story they had to tell themselves (and keep telling themselves and everyone whoíll listen) about why they left the country they loved gets a bit frayed at the edges when their buddies invite them over for fresh kreef and the kids have a jol being outdoors all day and half the night and Spur sauce still tastes good on everything. Iím not saying this country doesnít have serryass problems, but for now itís the same old place and sheesh, you have a cool life.

    And neither am I saying that some people donít leave South Africa happily and settle well and never look back, but they arenít the ones writing me cross letters. And I feel for them, I really do. For me, leaving South Africa permanently would break my heart. Maybe their hearts got a bit broken and the only way they know how to deal is by running the country down and calling those of us who still live here Ė or, god forbid, came back Ė names. A writer whose name I forget once said in a novel, ĎAfrica is not easily forsaken by her children.í I never forgot those words. For whatever reason, this country gets under your skin. It holds you in its grip, and I see a kind of emotional attachment I havenít witnessed in any other place. A journalist friend of mine went to Australia to interview South African expats, and many had had to undergo some kind of therapy in order to come to terms with leaving. You hear of South Africans going down on their bended knees and kissing the tarmac when they get off the plane. I did it myself when we moved back permanently. Maybe itís because our country has suffered so much, and we have witnessed its turmoil and anguish and then danced in its (rather short-lived) victories. Or maybe itís something else; an intangible, indefinable quality that inspires this deep love and reverence.

    So, I say this to the expats who need to sound off and be haters in order to justify their choices: let us love our country if that is what makes sense to us. We donít yell at you and accuse you of abandoning ship because youíre living in Maida Vale. We are happy that you have homes in London because now we have somewhere to stay when we go overseas with our tragic Rands. You made a choice to go, like we made a choice to stay. No amount of shouting is going to convince us that weíre deluded. We read the papers; we get it. You donít have to point out crime stats to us. For better or for worse, we have made peace with our decision, as you are going to have to make peace with yours.

    And the thing is this: you talk about not being Ďfreeí in South Africa. I lived in Sweden for eight years and as I ventured out, day after day, under a low-hanging grey sky to take my children to school in a gloomy, high-rise building where everybody I encountered seemed chronically depressed, that is when I felt unfree. Where there were so many rules I was afraid to do anything; where the weather was so crap we spent our lives watching TV, and where everybody lives for the end of the year so that they can get the hell out and feel like theyíre alive. Now, I feel alive every single day. And itís freaking awesome.

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    Jy sien ...

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